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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 10:52:53 GMT -5
Holy moly Steven. First of all, I am Saved...so there's really nothing to work out, I have already worked it out. I have nothing aginst people trying to be a good person, but when that's all the messages are about....the church has a problem. That is not the Gospel message. uh...yeah, that's enough.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:02:22 GMT -5
Holy moly Steven. First of all, I am Saved...so there's really nothing to work out, I have already worked it out. Emily, you must obey The Word of God! Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
So, if being good is not the Gospel message, what is? That's all Jesus taught: feed the hungry, love your enemies, love each other, serve the poor, forgive those who tresspass against you, etc...that's all being a good person. Jesus even told us that our righteousness (goodness) must surpass that of The Pharisees and that we were to be perfect as God was perfect. That's "being good". That was the goal (only attainable in heaven), but while here, that is what we were supposed to work on...becomming better. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:08:09 GMT -5
Believe me, I had fear and trembled the night I got Saved.
Gospel message in short: We are sinners destined for hell, Jesus died and rose for us, those who accept Him are no long destined for hell but will spend eternity with Christ.
Message the Methodist church I went to taught: be a good person and give money to our church...oops its noon! time to go home!
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:12:16 GMT -5
Believe me, I had fear and trembled the night I got Saved. But The Word of God says this to people who were already saved meaning that it was meant to be done "after" being saved. That's it? What about the rest of Jesus' teachings? You don't include them in with The Gospel? How did you come about that list there? Run Forest! Run! LOL! |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:14:27 GMT -5
That's why I said "in short".
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 26, 2009 11:17:51 GMT -5
Here is a good one for you all.... my husbands mother just recently said that she did not like me because i "was not "saved" "! Coming from a woman who lies everyday,cheats on her husband, and manipulates people, and who also treasures wealth! Oh, and she is southern baptist..
LOL!
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:20:47 GMT -5
That's why I said "in short". But you "conveniently" left out all the parts about how we had to be good people! LOL! |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:22:16 GMT -5
Marcie, I'm sorry...she doesn't sound like a very nice lady  Steven, one doesn't have to do anything. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -5
Here is a good one for you all.... my husbands mother just recently said that she did not like me because i "was not "saved" "! Coming from a woman who lies everyday,cheats on her husband, and manipulates people, and who also treasures wealth! Oh, and she is southern baptist.. LOL! "Saved" for them means just making a proclamation. That's it. I think it's just "accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord & Savior". Right? Then, you're "saved". |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:23:55 GMT -5
It's not just saying the proclamation, it's meaning it.
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jun 26, 2009 11:25:38 GMT -5
Yeah, i know im "saved" if that is what you want to call it. But she is the one that needs to work on her salvation...not me. Well, i do need to continue being a good person and god loving person.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:29:42 GMT -5
Marcie, I'm sorry...she doesn't sound like a very nice lady Steven, one doesn't have to do anything. So why did these "proclaiming" believers get condemned to hell? For "not" doing what Jesus told them to do in The Gospel: Matthew 25 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.Now, why did these go away into everlasting punishment? Because even though they "believed" in Jesus and accepted Him as their Lord, they didn't "do" what He told them to do. Jesus literally said that we "must" love, that we "must" forgive or we wouldn't be saved. How can you say that you don't have to "do" anything? That's not a biblical belief. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:34:57 GMT -5
Sheep=Saved person
Goat=Lost person
So, there ya go. The goats on His left are condemned to hell because they never accepted Jesus.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:38:36 GMT -5
Sheep=Saved person Goat=Lost person So, there ya go. The goats on His left are condemned to hell because they never accepted Jesus. But, don't they meet the criteria of being saved? They called Him Lord, right? Isn't that the criteria for accepting Jesus Christ? Accepting Him as their Lord and thus, their Savior?  |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:39:51 GMT -5
Sheep=Saved person Goat=Lost person So, there ya go. The goats on His left are condemned to hell because they never accepted Jesus. What is "your" criteria for a person accepting Jesus Christ? Is it more than just recognizing that He is their Lord & Savior? If so, what are the other criterias? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:41:26 GMT -5
Someone calling Jesus "Lord" doesn't automaticaly mean they are Saved. Calling Him that and actually knowing in your heart that He is Lord are two different things.
Before I got Saved, I would pray "Lord, blah blah blah". But I was still Lost.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:44:23 GMT -5
It's not just saying the proclamation, it's meaning it. So then, "meaning" it is more than just saying it, right? Meaning it is doing something. To "mean" something is an action. Right? So, even by your own words, you have to do something other than just say something...you have to "mean" it. mean
–verb 1. to have in mind as one's purpose or intention; intend: I meant to compliment you on your work.
2. to intend for a particular purpose, destination, etc.: They were meant for each other.
3. to intend to express or indicate: What do you mean by “liberal”?
4. to have as its sense or signification; signify: The word “freedom” means many things to many people.
5. to bring, cause, or produce as a result: This bonus means that we can take a trip to Florida.
6. to have (certain intentions) toward a person: He didn't mean you any harm.
7. to have the value of; assume the importance of: Money means everything to them. She means the world to him. A "verb" is an "action". verb any member of a class of words that are formally distinguished in many languages, as in English by taking the past ending in -ed, that function as the main elements of predicates, that typically express action, state, or a relation between two things, and that (when inflected) may be inflected for tense, aspect, voice, mood, and to show agreement with their subject or object. |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:49:06 GMT -5
Someone calling Jesus "Lord" doesn't automaticaly mean they are Saved. Calling Him that and actually knowing in your heart that He is Lord are two different things. Before I got Saved, I would pray "Lord, blah blah blah". But I was still Lost. But they called Him their Lord. Doesn't this show that they had faith in Him? What reason did Jesus say for Him sending them to hell? What was His reasoning? |
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Post by Cepha on Jun 26, 2009 11:52:29 GMT -5
Someone calling Jesus "Lord" doesn't automaticaly mean they are Saved. Calling Him that and actually knowing in your heart that He is Lord are two different things. Before I got Saved, I would pray "Lord, blah blah blah". But I was still Lost. And again, I ask you...what are the criteria to be saved? What are the "requirements"? |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 26, 2009 11:56:31 GMT -5
Meaning it= not just saying it to say it, to actually believe it.
To be Saved one must accept Jesus as their Lord and repent of their sins.
And like I said before, I called Jesus "Lord" when I was Lost....
Jesus sent them to hell because they didn't accept Christ, they were lost goats...not part of His flock of sheep.
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