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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jan 29, 2009 16:26:04 GMT -5
Well, if john mccain is so prochoice that he would make his first week in office dedicated to funding abortions and making it legal for 13yr olds have them without parental consent, then i would DEFENITLY not vote for him, and i will defenitly remember this next election.
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Post by Cepha on Jan 30, 2009 10:28:45 GMT -5
Check out the date on this article, why dont you pull something current. Besides IF the Catholic Church were for Obama and his abortion view, they would not shut down the hospitals dont you think. a) The date "has to" be BEFORE the election (not current) with regards to voting for President Hussein. b) No one ever said that The Catholic Church was "for" Obama and his abortion view. Where'd you get that statement from? What would ever make you think that the Catholic Church would be for President Hussein's abortion view? |
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Post by Cepha on Jan 30, 2009 10:33:08 GMT -5
Who said anything about google?  I know that one core belief and stance of the Catholic Church is not to support abortion, so...when you actively support Obama, it is saying that you support indirectly abortion. I dont see who you dont see this. I am saying something about Google. Why? Because you seem to get your beliefs on President Hussein by Googling. Did you read the article I posted? Ok, then by your own standards (which are contrary to what the Church teaces), you support abortion (if you voted for McCain because he supports abortion). And the reason that you dont' see what I see is because you are unfamiliar with what the Church teaches. It literally teaches that you can vote for a candidate who is Pro-Choice without supporting his Pro-Choice stance. That is Church teaching. Now if you can't accept what the Church teaches, then maybe you're not happy with The Catholic Church. And before you say "where does it say that", read the link I supplied so that there wouldn't be any confusion to this nor any excuse. Read, then respond. When was the last time you went to Church? |
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Post by Cepha on Jan 30, 2009 10:37:25 GMT -5
Well, if john mccain is so prochoice that he would make his first week in office dedicated to funding abortions and making it legal for 13yr olds have them without parental consent, then i would DEFENITLY not vote for him, and i will defenitly remember this next election. Yes...McCain is "Pro-Choice". He believes in abortion in cases of rape/incest/mother's health. This is his stance before the election. So, a vote for John McCain is a vote to support abortion in cases of rape/incest/mother's health. That is, if you folks aren't going to be hypocritical and apply the same standards upon yourselves that you apply to Catholic who voted for Obama (and it was the majority of Catholics that voted for President Hussein, not the minority and this was "after" The Vatican released a statement on how a Catholic "can" vote without alienating themselves from The Church) Personally, I believe that one can vote for McCain and be 100% Pro-Life even though he is 75% Pro-Choice (he's only against abortion on demand which is odd to me since abortion for rape/incest/mother's health in my book is STILL abortion on demand). |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jan 30, 2009 13:41:10 GMT -5
Who said anything about google? I know that one core belief and stance of the Catholic Church is not to support abortion, so...when you actively support Obama, it is saying that you support indirectly abortion. I dont see who you dont see this. I am saying something about Google. Why? Because you seem to get your beliefs on President Hussein by Googling. Did you read the article I posted? Ok, then by your own standards (which are contrary to what the Church teaces), you support abortion (if you voted for McCain because he supports abortion). And the reason that you dont' see what I see is because you are unfamiliar with what the Church teaches. It literally teaches that you can vote for a candidate who is Pro-Choice without supporting his Pro-Choice stance. That is Church teaching. Now if you can't accept what the Church teaches, then maybe you're not happy with The Catholic Church. And before you say "where does it say that", read the link I supplied so that there wouldn't be any confusion to this nor any excuse. Read, then respond. When was the last time you went to Church? I missed church last week, but was there the week before. My whole family had a stomach flu! |
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Post by Cepha on Jan 31, 2009 9:08:12 GMT -5
I am saying something about Google. Why? Because you seem to get your beliefs on President Hussein by Googling. Did you read the article I posted? Ok, then by your own standards (which are contrary to what the Church teaces), you support abortion (if you voted for McCain because he supports abortion). And the reason that you dont' see what I see is because you are unfamiliar with what the Church teaches. It literally teaches that you can vote for a candidate who is Pro-Choice without supporting his Pro-Choice stance. That is Church teaching. Now if you can't accept what the Church teaches, then maybe you're not happy with The Catholic Church. And before you say "where does it say that", read the link I supplied so that there wouldn't be any confusion to this nor any excuse. Read, then respond. When was the last time you went to Church? I missed church last week, but was there the week before. My whole family had a stomach flu! Good girl! (Assuming that it was a "Catholic" Church! LOL!). Also...Did you read the article I posted? |
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Post by Jimmy B. on Jan 31, 2009 17:34:47 GMT -5
Cepha, Below, are excerpts from document that you posted here….Read your own post! You are doing the “Protestant” thing, by attempting to “personally interpret” this document. You have miss-used and misinterpreted this document to suit your own opinion, which has been shaped by your own personal desire, to defend Obama first and the Catholic Church and LIFE second. I believe that your loyalty is misplaced and that you are confused, when it comes to this issue. You are trying hard to be a loyal Democrat, when it is more important to be a loyal Catholic, am I wrong? The Democratic Party is the Party of the Devil and will not help you get into heaven. Read this (taken from your post) - That same document by the man who is now Pope, suggested in a nota bene at the conclusion of the document that Catholic citizens who vote for politicians who support abortion also make themselves unworthy to receive Communion. "A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate's permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia," he wrote.
Could it be, as is often said, that because one candidate supports abortion and another, while being against abortion, supports a war effort or the death penalty, that that would be a "proportionate reason" to vote for the pro-abortion candidate over the anti-abortion one? Cardinal Ratzinger answers the question in his document.
"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia,"
"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia," explained the document. "For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia."
One suggestion offered is that a Catholic may vote for a politician who supports abortion in very limited circumstances (for instance in cases of rape), if the only other viable candidate is one who supports abortion in most or all cases.
Where does that logic come from? Pope John Paul II explained in his encyclical, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), "…when it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and morality.Read this, as well, “The Nine Ways of Being an Accessory to Another’s Sin”. The Nine Ways of Being an Accessory to Another’s Sin1. By Counsel 2. By Command 3. By Consent 4. By Concealment 5. By Defense of Evil Done 6. By Partaking 7. By Provocation 8. By Praise 9. By Silence What is more important, your own soul or Obama? Why take the Chance? Here are your two choices - Choice One: LIFE Choice Two: DEATH Be Careful Cepha!
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Post by Jimmy B. on Jan 31, 2009 18:43:56 GMT -5
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY and OBAMA ON - MORAL ISSUES:
- Supports, Use Tax Payer Money to pay for Embryonic Stem Cell Research. (Nov 2006 to present).
- Supports, Pursuing Embryonic Stem Cell Research. (Jul 2004 to present)
- Supports, "Right to Choose" (abortion) even if mother cannot pay; making the Tax Payer, Pay for Abortions on Demand, including those Tax Payers who Appose Abortion. (Jul 2004 to present)
- Supports, Abortion as a "Fundamental", "Constitutional Right". (Aug 2000 to present) This Includes, Partial Birth Abortions.
- Supports, Partial Birth Abortions
_ Supports, Pro-Abortion Judges.
- Supports, the use of Tax Payer Dollars to Pay for Abortions committed outside the U.S.
- Supports, - No Federal Gay Marriage Ban
- Supports, Gay Unions, Gay Marriages and Gay Domestic Partnerships. (Jul 2004 to present).
- Supports, Openly Gay Persons in the Military
- Supports, Euthanasia, See - Terri Shival Case.
- Supports, the "Freedom of Choice Act": (FOCA), a sweeping Federal Law which would Eliminate any type of Abortion Restriction, Nation-Wide.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - ON MORAL ISSUES.
THE FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES
These five issues are called non-negotiable because they concern actions that are always morally wrong and must never be promoted by the law. It is a serious sin to endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any of the five non-negotiables.
1. Abortion
The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.
The child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins.
2. Euthanasia
Often disguised by the name "mercy killing," euthanasia also is a form of homicide. No one has a right to take his own life (suicide), and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person.
In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).
3. Fetal Stem Cell Research
Human embryos are human beings. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo" (CRF 4b).
Recent scientific advances show that any medical cure that might arise from experimentation on fetal stem cells can be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there no longer is a medical argument in favor of using fetal stem cells.
4. Human Cloning
"Attempts . . . for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through 'twin fission,' cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union" (RHL I:6).
Human cloning also ends up being a form of homicide because the "rejected" or "unsuccessful" clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.
5. Homosexual "Marriage"
True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other form of "marriage" undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement.
"When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (UHP 10).
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The Roman Catholic Belief in the Nine Ways of being an Accessory to Another’s Sin.
1. By Counsel
2. By Command
3. By Consent
4. By Concealment
5. By Defense of Evil Done
6. By Partaking
7. By Provocation
8. By Praise
9. By Silence
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Sorry Cepha... but you are wrong!
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Post by Jimmy B. on Jan 31, 2009 19:27:27 GMT -5
Oh, Cepha…Did I mention …the Catholic Church is also apposed to Artificial Birth Control and the Democrats and Obama are for it, to the point where they want give-out condoms to children at school without Parental Notification…but hey, that shouldn’t surprise anyone, because they are against Parental Notification for Minors, having Abortions. Also…Isn’t it the Liberal Democrats and people like Obama and the ACLU, who want to get rid of the Ten Commandments in our country’s Court Rooms…Public Nativity Scenes…”In God We Trust” on our currency… “One Nation Under God”, in our Pledge of Allegiance to America…And so on and so forth??? They are also apposed to Prayer in school…aren’t they? The Democratic Party’s, beliefs and Official Platform are in conflict with Catholic Teachings and beliefs….Period! Ask yourself this question – Which party supports groups like, the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)  Answer - The Democrats of course… When you vote for a liberal Democrat like Obama, you join his team and give him tacit approval for his radical beliefs and agenda, which go against Catholicism. Obama, based on the election results, probably assumes that his beliefs are in line with American Catholic's in this country... and they are...His errant beliefs, are in line with the Catholics who don't observe or defend their Catholic Faith! The fact that 54% of the Catholics in America voted for a radical like Obama is scary and sends the wrong message to the rest of the Observant Catholics, worldwide. There are many confused Catholics in this country and at this rate, it looks like the Catholic Church is in big trouble in this country....Democrat first....Catholic second...How sad. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Jan 31, 2009 21:51:05 GMT -5
I missed church last week, but was there the week before. My whole family had a stomach flu! Good girl! (Assuming that it was a "Catholic" Church! LOL!). Also...Did you read the article I posted? LOL, you are crazy! Of course it was a Catholic church, in fact, my husband and i have been going to 3 different catholic churches, kinda just rotating around, getting the feel of them all. He really liked one of them. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 13:22:13 GMT -5
Cepha, Below, are excerpts from document that you posted here….Read your own post! You are doing the “Protestant” thing, by attempting to “personally interpret” this document. You have miss-used and misinterpreted this document to suit your own opinion, which has been shaped by your own personal desire, to defend Obama first and the Catholic Church and LIFE second. I believe that your loyalty is misplaced and that you are confused, when it comes to this issue. You are trying hard to be a loyal Democrat, when it is more important to be a loyal Catholic, am I wrong? The Democratic Party is the Party of the Devil and will not help you get into heaven. Read this (taken from your post) - That same document by the man who is now Pope, suggested in a nota bene at the conclusion of the document that Catholic citizens who vote for politicians who support abortion also make themselves unworthy to receive Communion. "A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate's permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia," he wrote.
Could it be, as is often said, that because one candidate supports abortion and another, while being against abortion, supports a war effort or the death penalty, that that would be a "proportionate reason" to vote for the pro-abortion candidate over the anti-abortion one? Cardinal Ratzinger answers the question in his document.
"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia,"
"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia," explained the document. "For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia."
One suggestion offered is that a Catholic may vote for a politician who supports abortion in very limited circumstances (for instance in cases of rape), if the only other viable candidate is one who supports abortion in most or all cases.
Where does that logic come from? Pope John Paul II explained in his encyclical, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), "…when it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and morality.Read this, as well, “The Nine Ways of Being an Accessory to Another’s Sin”. The Nine Ways of Being an Accessory to Another’s Sin1. By Counsel 2. By Command 3. By Consent 4. By Concealment 5. By Defense of Evil Done 6. By Partaking 7. By Provocation 8. By Praise 9. By Silence What is more important, your own soul or Obama? Why take the Chance? Here are your two choices - Choice One: LIFEBe Careful Cepha! Isn't it curious how you chose to conveniently leave out the part of that document that states that one could vote for a pro-choice candidate and NOT be guilty of cooperation? Now "THAT" is doing it the Protestant way...creative quoting. That's "cafetiria citation" right there.  No matter what fragment of the doc you choose to cite as that entire doc, the fact remains...the doc says what it says and if you choose the part of the doc that says that I as a devout Catholic can vote for a pro-choice candidate so long as I dont' personally support his stances that are against the Church, so be it. I'm glad I'm in The "Catholic" Church (not the church of Jimmy B.!).  Gosh I lovvve being Catholic! A Priest that I know who's actually "done something" about abortion (besides complaining about it or just blogging about it) told me that I followed the document as written and that my conscience was right to be clear. And this is a man who's actually "protested" actively against abortion. Even he said I was right to "not" vote for John McCain using the same standard that I used for voting for Obama based on the doc I trusted. (He said he couldn't personally vote for either, but found my reasoning for voting for President Obama to be just since I clearly don't support him on his anti-Church stances.) |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 13:29:33 GMT -5
Oh, Cepha…Did I mention …the Catholic Church is also apposed to Artificial Birth Control and the Democrats and Obama are for it, to the point where they want give-out condoms to children at school without Parental Notification…but hey, that shouldn’t surprise anyone, because they are against Parental Notification for Minors, having Abortions. Also…Isn’t it the Liberal Democrats and people like Obama and the ACLU, who want to get rid of the Ten Commandments in our country’s Court Rooms…Public Nativity Scenes…”In God We Trust” on our currency… “One Nation Under God”, in our Pledge of Allegiance to America…And so on and so forth??? They are also apposed to Prayer in school…aren’t they? The Democratic Party’s, beliefs and Official Platform are in conflict with Catholic Teachings and beliefs….Period! Ask yourself this question – Which party supports groups like, the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) Answer - The Democrats of course… When you vote for a liberal Democrat like Obama, you join his team and give him tacit approval for his radical beliefs and agenda, which go against Catholicism. Obama, based on the election results, probably assumes that his beliefs are in line with American Catholic's in this country... and they are...His errant beliefs, are in line with the Catholics who don't observe or defend their Catholic Faith! The fact that 54% of the Catholics in America voted for a radical like Obama is scary and sends the wrong message to the rest of the Observant Catholics, worldwide. There are many confused Catholics in this country and at this rate, it looks like the Catholic Church is in big trouble in this country....Democrat first....Catholic second...How sad. You could try to parse Pro-Life all you want to, but it's still all under one moniker...Pro-Life. I know that some like to "separate" it into different areas so that they can justify voting for a candidate that believes in abortion in 3 out of 4 cases, but as far as I'm concerned (and I'm sure that The Church sees it this way too), anything that is against the Church's teaching is against the Church's teaching. So anyone who agrees with teachings that are against The Church's teachings are against The Church...agreed? So there, so is McCain. So trying to take the splinter out of my eyes...you know the rest! ;D For the umpteent trillionth time! Obama is wrong on Pro-Life issues! So is the Democratic Party! So is McCain! So is The Republican Party (because they chose McCain as their leader for the Presidency)! America is wrong on Pro-Life issues! And she is against The Church on it! She makes it legal to kill babies! And who's to blame? Us as a country because we chose the Presidents & politicians who put the judges in power who made Roe V Wade the law of the land (who were by the way mostly put in by the supposedly "family values" party/Republicans)! But, since most Republicans "aren't" Catholic, we can all see why they chose the way they did. They don't even have a complete Bible, so how can one trust them to chose the right judges? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 13:31:51 GMT -5
Good girl! (Assuming that it was a "Catholic" Church! LOL!). Also...Did you read the article I posted? LOL, you are crazy! Of course it was a Catholic church, in fact, my husband and i have been going to 3 different catholic churches, kinda just rotating around, getting the feel of them all. He really liked one of them. Oh! I'm just checkin' sweethear! Just want to be sure! You know I love Wes! LOL! And I'm glad you're coming home! Keep it up and life'll get easier.  |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 13:45:16 GMT -5
Also…Isn’t it the Liberal Democrats and people like Obama and the ACLU, who want to get rid of the Ten Commandments in our country’s Court Rooms…Public Nativity Scenes…”In God We Trust” on our currency… “One Nation Under God”, in our Pledge of Allegiance to America…And so on and so forth??? They are also apposed to Prayer in school…aren’t they? The Democratic Party’s, beliefs and Official Platform are in conflict with Catholic Teachings and beliefs….Period! Separation of Church & State...it's the Jesus way and the American way. You'd have to stop being both in order for you to try to incorporate religion with secular governments J. Republican Party Joins With NAMBLA view links Well, as Michael Bouldin has been covering, the latest nasty Republican scandal is Rep. Mark Foley who engaged in a sexual email exchange with an underage teen on his staff...on taxpayer money. The Republican leadership, right up to Hastert, Reynolds and DeLay, KNEW about this months ago and did nothing, allowing a sexual predator to remain a Republican Conrgessman in good standing. The layers of sleaze are deep and disgusting in this scandal. The transcripts of the email exchange are now public and pretty graphic. Now let's remember that the Republican Party went after Clinton for having consensual sex with a consenting adult on his staff. But they TOLERATE and PROTECT Foley, a man who breaks the lawe by soliciting sex with an UNDERAGE staff member. Where is the moral outrage, Tom Reynolds (NY Republican)? Why did you wait so long, Tom DeLay (TX Republican) while a sexual predator was on the loose? Why did you wait until it became public, Dennis Hastert (Republican Speaker of the House), before you acted? These three men KNEW ABOUT FOLEY'S illegal and immoral acts but DID NOTHING for months. Only once the scandal hit the papers did they scramble to act all shocked. But they weren't shocked. They knew and they did nothing to stop a sexual predator. Their actions are not worthy of Congressmen so much of members of the sleazy NABMLA. Is this what Repubublicans are all about? Displaying the morality of NABMLA? This once again shows the disgusting hypocricy and immorality of the current Republican Party. Ronald Reagan and Dwight Eisenhaur would be disgusted by Republicans today. But let's not forget that Foley's actions ARE NOT ISOLATED. Soliciting sex illegally via email is becoming a pattern. www.dailygotham.com/blog/mole333/republican_party_joins_with_namblaDo you realize that what you just said is completely "out of" line with Church teachings? The Church teaches that one can vote for someone even if they disagree with some of their policies. So why are you contradicting what the Church teaches? |
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Post by teresahrc on Feb 1, 2009 13:49:17 GMT -5
Don't blame me, I voted for Chuck Baldwin!
I agree, it really really stinks about USA and all. But really, what should we expect? This isn't some Utopia and it isn't Vatican City. The whole world is composed of wretched sinners like me who need Jesus in order to do anything good. We should know better than to think that one vote is going to bring peace on earth or an end to all violence!
Jesus didn't tell His Apostles to change the world by changing the Government. Not that we can't be political, but we can't think we can solve spiritual problems without spiritual solutions.
peace
teresa
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 14:08:00 GMT -5
The fact that 54% of the Catholics in America voted for a radical like Obama is scary and sends the wrong message to the rest of the Observant Catholics, worldwide. There are many confused Catholics in this country and at this rate, it looks like the Catholic Church is in big trouble in this country....Democrat first....Catholic second...How sad. Jimmy, Would you say that you are out of line of what most American Catholics believe in voting for Obama? Also, who kills the babies in abortions? Those lawmakers that made it legal? The politicians who appointed them? The politicians who do nothing to stop it? Or the women and the doctors who take part in it? I don't see you going after them. Think about it, if abortion was illegal, would it stop? Why do you think that it was allowed to become legal in the first place and who appointed those judges that made it legal? Are they culpable for this too? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 14:14:47 GMT -5
Here are your two choices - Choice One: LIFEChoice Two: DEATHBe Careful Cepha!
Didn't you forget to put the Pro-Choice Candidate that "you" voted for?
Choice Two: DEATH  Obama and McCain...BOTH wrong on abortion!  John McCain on Abortion Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them On “Meet the Press,” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion. Source: Boston Globe, p. A9 Jan 31, 2000 “Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion Source: (X-ref from Keyes) GOP Debate in Manchester NH Jan 26, 2000 Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape Source: New York Times, p. A17 Jan 25, 2000 Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity McCain was asked how he could be anti-abortion and still vote to support fetal tissue research. He supports fetal-tissue research, McCain said, because it has helped make progress against Parkinson’s disease. Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000 Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger. Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000 Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999 Voted YES on allowing partial birth abortions. This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion. Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3 www.ontheissues.org/senate/john_Mccain_abortion.htm |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 14:31:10 GMT -5
Don't blame me, I voted for Chuck Baldwin! I agree, it really really stinks about USA and all. But really, what should we expect? This isn't some Utopia and it isn't Vatican City. The whole world is composed of wretched sinners like me who need Jesus in order to do anything good. We should know better than to think that one vote is going to bring peace on earth or an end to all violence! Jesus didn't tell His Apostles to change the world by changing the Government. Not that we can't be political, but we can't think we can solve spiritual problems without spiritual solutions. peace teresa If this was a Catholic Country, we wouldn't have these issues! But it's not, so we have to accept it and deal with it. Doesn't mean that we have to approve of it, but we just have to accept that that is the law of the land put in by the politicians this country collectively voted for. God cannot be happy with America because of abortion. But, I believe He is happy with America when it comes to social justice, to charity, to our helping others, etc... |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 1, 2009 14:46:19 GMT -5
I believe in the seperation of church and state, but.... i DO believe in the "In God we trust" on the money and for the Ten Commandments to be placed at courts or anywhere, and i also believe that we should be able to display "God Bless America" anywhere.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 1, 2009 16:23:06 GMT -5
I believe in the seperation of church and state, but.... i DO believe in the "In God we trust" on the money and for the Ten Commandments to be placed at courts or anywhere, and i also believe that we should be able to display "God Bless America" anywhere. Do you believe that the majority of a country can impose it's will upon the minority of a country religiously? For example, most non-Catholic Christians seem to believe that abortion is ok. That's why it's legal in this country where they are the majority and they make the rules. Is that right or wrong or just the way it is? I think it's just the way it is personally. I wish this country was more Catholic, but hey, what can we do besides produce more offspring than the non-Catholics and take over eventually and vote in Pro-Life (excuse me, 100% Pro-Life) candidates. |
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Answer - The Democrats of course… 
