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Post by Cepha on Feb 3, 2009 19:33:11 GMT -5
Question:
Has The Catholic Church retracted the statement it made that said that a Catholic can vote for a Pro-Choice Candidate provided that they are not voting for him because he's Pro-Choice?
Or is it still in effect?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 3, 2009 19:54:51 GMT -5
The only reason the Catholic Church in America hasn't been more aggressive with the Democrats on these moral issues, is because the Democrats have already moved, to try and take away the Church's tax exemption...And that's the only reason. That is the only way that Socialism and Communism works...Silence the Church and Silence apposition media....Does the "Fairness Doctrine" ring a bell.... Well, if what you're saying is true, then the American Catholic Church should be excommunicated for this treason against our faith! Remember what Jesus said about those that would deny Him! If She (The Church) doesn't comply with her mission, then She should be kicked out of the Catholic Community and be like anathema! Where did you get this information from Jimmy? That The American Catholic Church "hasn't been more aggressive with the Democrats on these moral issues, is because the Democrats have already moved, to try and take away the Church's tax exemption...And that's the only reason." Shouldn't we start a petition and send it to The Vatican denouncing The American Catholic Church and demanding that She either be more aggressive with the Democratic Party or risk excommunication? Come on now, who's willing to put "it" on the line?  If what you're saying is true, I'll be the first to draft this document and fire it off to The Vatican (giving you Jimmy B. full credit of course for having brought this to our attention and for having proven it to us...that is, of course "after" you prove it to us). |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 3, 2009 20:54:25 GMT -5
In the next election, the Dem's will have no one to blame but themselves. Obama, Palosi, Reid, Frank and the other radical liberals are killing the Democratic Party. Jimmy, What planet are you on?  Didn't you hear? Republican numbers are falling and Democrats are growing in numbers! Where'd you get the notion that the Democratic Party dieing? It's The Republican Party that's fallen! ;D meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_decline_and_fall_of_the_re.phpPartisan TrendsThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index shows that Barack Obama has earned favorable reviews during his first two months as President-elect.
Democrats continue to have a significant advantage on 10 key issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports and lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot. Democrats 40.9% ;D Republicans 32.6%  (As of January 2009) Both parties lost numbers, but the Dems still outgained the Republicans. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trendsI think we're on our way to a 3rd Party my friends! (I hope it will be made up of Conservative 100% Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans who will put their Red/Blue differences to the side and work together to bring the morality of this country back in line with God's!) |
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Post by watchman on Feb 3, 2009 21:30:48 GMT -5
I hope you do not ban me for this, but either way it needs to be said. I always doubted your christianity because of your biblical interpretations and false beliefs, although we are not judged by our doctrine, but now seeing were and who you stand with politically, I no longer have any doubt you are no christian cepha.
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Post by watchman on Feb 3, 2009 21:34:38 GMT -5
(I hope it will be made up of Conservative 100% Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans who will put their Red/Blue differences to the side and work together to bring the morality of this country back in line with God's!) If you are conservative and pro life who could you have voted for Obama? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 3, 2009 22:21:57 GMT -5
(I hope it will be made up of Conservative 100% Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans who will put their Red/Blue differences to the side and work together to bring the morality of this country back in line with God's!) If you are conservative and pro life who could you have voted for Obama? Good question. It was both difficult and hard. There was no way that I'd vote for anybody else and at this time of crisis in our country, there was no way that I would waste my vote on a Protest candidate. I firmly believe that President Obama is the best that this country has to offer right now. I firmly believe in his policies on social justice, on war, on making peace with our enemies, with charity, with basically every single other issue except his Pro-Choice stances. The Catholic Church gives Catholics a very detailed set of points to consider when judging a candidate and despite what we think personally, the Church's statement was clear...we can't just vote "Pro-Life" alone. We have to consider the candidate in totality and that was the deciding factor for me. That statement was enough for me. I am a Conservative Christian. I believe in feeding the poor, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless...I believe in peace, not war. I believe in loving our enemies. I am 100% Pro-Life and I proved it not by voting for a Pro-Choice candidate, but by voting against a candidate who "claims" to be Pro-Life, but believes in abortion. While we all lie (politicians or not), the one thing that I couldn't accept was the blatant lies of John McCain. I would've been far guiltier of voting for a man who claims to be Pro-Life, but who said that he wouldn't repeal Roe V. Wade. This is a Protestant Country and us Catholics don't have much say in their politics so we have to live with their rules. But, I won't dare exhonerrate Pro-Choice Catholics. In my opinion, you can't be Catholic and be Pro-Choice. And, you cannot (as a Catholic) knowingly vote for a man who lies about his stance on abortion. Even if we can't change it, we can't support a deceiver like John McCain because he said he was Pro-Choice. I've heard so many Catholics say "I disagree with almost everything about McCain, but at least he's Pro-Life!" But McCain "isn't" Pro-Life. These people were deceived by John McCain's lies. Obama has always been honest about his Pro-Choice stances. The Devil is also known to be honest at times when he speaks truths. But we know this for a fact and without a doubt, that a man who believes in anything that is Pro-Choice is not of the Holy Spirit and we certainly know that a man who lies about being Pro-Life, but that believes in abortion and embryonic stem cell research is also "not" led by The Holy Spirit. Neither candidate is to be our spiritual or moral or ethical counsel folks...they aren't to be our Pastor/Reverand/Priest/Pope. They are our politicians. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's. I'll get my spiritual guidance from a religious leader, not from a secularly selected man. I respect and love those Christians of all denominations who voted "against" Obama because he is Pro-Choice. I really do love that. But, I cannot respect anybody who says that they voted for John McCain because he's "Pro-Choice"...why? Because he simply is NOT. So, this is telling me something...these persons are either so filled with their own particular groups indoctrination that they never researched their own candidate (which makes the RWE's to me or Right Wing Extremists) or they know he's Pro-Choice and still voted for him. You'd be surprised at how many Christian Conservatives didn't know John McCain was Pro-Choice. Why? Just because he walks around saying "I'm proud of my Pro-Life record!" (roughly quoted). Obama isn't fooling anybody with who he is. We know where he stands. And to me, that's the "real" definition of "straight talk". Obama (I believe) wasn't sent to us by God. But, maybe God will fix him if he does a good job and works to bring us all together as a country. Granted, some will hate him just because he is what he is (Too Black, Not Black Enough, Democrat, Too Liberal, Too Conservative, Too Aggressive, Too Passive...). That will all depend on who you ask. Right now, the Liberal Left Wing Nutjobs are losing it over Obama's decisions (as are the RWE's) and that's a great thing. He's exactly what we need now...a Centrist President. Ultimately, President Obama didn't legalize abortion. Judges put forth by Republicans supposedly did that. He doesn't force women to get abortions or doctors to perform them. They do that of their own free will. No law will stop abortion. Only women can stop abortion. Obama is 100% wrong, we all know that, but he's honest about it. He might be a wolf, but he's no wolf in sheeps' clothing like McCain is. ![]() 2.bp.blogspot.com/_dR1ASRHNq24/R2C0hKuvqmI/AAAAAAAAAIw/Andsa05jha4/s320/wolf_in_sheeps_clothing.JPG[/img] |
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Post by Jimmy B. on Feb 4, 2009 13:02:19 GMT -5
Cepha,
You know that I like you... but you have to admit that President Obama's first three weeks, hasn't been what one would expect, from the "Anointed One", as described by the liberal media.
This is what you get, when you elect as President, a young and inexperienced, Junior Senator. You get a lot of mistakes.
Yep, 3 weeks... and to use his own words, he has "screwed up".
All of those, who have voted for him, have "screwed up".
He will continue to "screw-up", because he is "in over his head".
He doesn't know what he is doing and isn't confident enough to say "No" to his own Party.
Prior to Obama being elected, Senator Biden, when referring to Obama, said that the Presidency is not supposed to be "on the job training" and that the person seeking the office of President, should be "ready to lead".
Obama wasn’t "ready to lead".
I was shocked, when I heard Obama tell Anderson Cooper of CNN, that he “screwed up, and that he was “learning as he goes”, describing his experience as President, as “on the job training”, what a joke.
I guess Sen. Biden (now Vice President Biden) was right.
Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton and others act as if they think, all if this, is a big Joke. This is serious business and these people should be acting like serious professionals. This, unprofessionalism was apparent when he (Biden), swore-in Sen. Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, as they were all giggling and acting like little kids. This shows us that they may have the “experience” but lack the professionalism, maturity, and leadership qualities, one would expect from persons holding high office.
The recent actions of President Obama and his people are embarrassing.
Sen. Tom Daschle’s recent withdrawal , because of “tax problems” and his “lobbying” history … and Obama’s, alleged “high standards”… are a joke, especially when considering; Obama , last week, appointed Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary and the Democratically controlled Senate, confirmed Mr. Geithner, knowing that Geithner had the same issues as Sen. Daschle and Nancy Killefer. Kilefer made the same withdrawal request, as Daschle, for similar reasons.
This inconsistent behavior by the President, is disconcerting and is just one more example that Obama doesn’t have the leadership qualities, experience or maturity needed to be President.
His first three weeks in office, have been a joke…and you voted for him.
As for, all of President Obama’s recent "screw ups", in his first 3 weeks in office; I thought the reason President Obama selected Sen. Biden as Vice President, was because Sen. Biden had “experience”.
Other than “swearing people in”, where is Vice President Biden? Why hasn't, his so-called "experience” help prevent President Obama from making so many "bush league" mistakes?
President Obama acts and talks like a "sergeant" might...a beginner when it comes to leadership...when he is the President and the Commander and Chief and should be acting like the Leader of the Free World.
By his actions and speak, it is evident that he (Obama) is indecisive, inexperienced and immature.
I talk about the future - 2012, because this is the only comfort I have; knowing that a President's term, is limited to four years....even though, in his interview with Anderson Cooper, of CNN, Obama alluded to "Six" and "Eleven" years"... He apparently thinks that a Presidential term is "Five years".
This guy needs to go back to the minor leagues where he belongs. Then again, he is acting like the young, inexperienced, indecisive and immature Junior Senator that you helped to elect.
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Post by Jimmy B. on Feb 4, 2009 13:47:56 GMT -5
In the next election, the Dem's will have no one to blame but themselves. Obama, Palosi, Reid, Frank and the other radical liberals are killing the Democratic Party. Jimmy, What planet are you on? Didn't you hear? Republican numbers are falling and Democrats are growing in numbers! Where'd you get the notion that the Democratic Party dieing? It's The Republican Party that's fallen! ;D meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_decline_and_fall_of_the_re.phpPartisan TrendsThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index shows that Barack Obama has earned favorable reviews during his first two months as President-elect.
Democrats continue to have a significant advantage on 10 key issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports and lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot. Democrats 40.9% ;D Republicans 32.6% (As of January 2009) Both parties lost numbers, but the Dems still outgained the Republicans. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trendsI think we're on our way to a 3rd Party my friends! (I hope it will be made up of Conservative 100% Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans who will put their Red/Blue differences to the side and work together to bring the morality of this country back in line with God's!) Cepha, I am on the planet, where, In just three weeks, Obama's approval rating has gone from 84% to 64%...source -CNN (2/4/09). |
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Post by kathleenelsie on Feb 4, 2009 15:20:56 GMT -5
Well I am new here and I am posting here after this got started. But, here goes.
Someone asked me if a person could be pro-abortion and still be catholic.
My answer was as follows.
If you define catholic as just being someone that was baptized into the faith at birth. Then yes you could be both.
If you define Catholic as being someone that follows the teachings of Holy Mother Church then no you can't be both. God said you can't serve two masters and as Catholics we believe that abortion is never allowed.
Now this also gos for other Moral issues. If you follow what Holy Mother Church teaches then you can't support the policies that have been made in the last two weeks and two days. Funny how it has only been 16 days and many people have now found they can not support the new administration. IMHO it is going to be a long long four years.
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Post by lance39 on Feb 4, 2009 15:29:23 GMT -5
As an Illinoisan, I can tell you that Obama is very pro-abortion. He goes beyond being pro choice. He voted in the Illinois senate to allow partial birth abortion with no restriction, he said that if one of his daughters got pregnant he would not want her "punished with a baby." He was absent or voted 'present' most of his career in the Illinois senate and as our US senator he spent most of his time running for president. He should give his salary to the people of Illinois. He is an old school 'Chicago Democratic Machine' politician and the world is about to find out how politics is played in Chicago/Illinois. So far he has nominate at least 3 tax cheats to high posts in his administration and "you ain't seen nothin' yet". Remember you read it here first.
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Post by kathleenelsie on Feb 4, 2009 17:26:00 GMT -5
If you are conservative and pro life who could you have voted for Obama? Good question. It was both difficult and hard. There was no way that I'd vote for anybody else and at this time of crisis in our country, there was no way that I would waste my vote on a Protest candidate. I firmly believe that President Obama is the best that this country has to offer right now. I firmly believe in his policies on social justice, on war ( sending more toops to Afghanistan?), on making peace with our enemies ( did you read the response to his first Press Confrence?), with charity ( let others pay because the Democrats won't), with basically every single other issue except his Pro-Choice stances. The Catholic Church gives Catholics a very detailed set of points to consider when judging a candidate and despite what we think personally, the Church's statement was clear...we can't just vote "Pro-Life" alone. We have to consider the candidate in totality and that was the deciding factor for me. That statement was enough for me. ( you did not listen that there were NO other issues that could outweigh the abortion issue) I am a Conservative Christian. I believe in feeding the poor, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless...I believe in peace, not war. I believe in loving our enemies. I am 100% Pro-Life and I proved it not by voting for a Pro-Choice candidate, but by voting against a candidate who "claims" to be Pro-Life, but believes in abortion. ( so you voted for one that has now made abortion available and paidfor by us world wide) While we all lie (politicians or not), the one thing that I couldn't accept was the blatant lies of John McCain. I would've been far guiltier of voting for a man who claims to be Pro-Life, but who said that he wouldn't repeal Roe V. Wade. ( so again you voted in someone that promised to make it more available and easier to get?) This is a Protestant Country and us Catholics don't have much say in their politics so we have to live with their rules. But, I won't dare exhonerrate Pro-Choice Catholics. In my opinion, you can't be Catholic and be Pro-Choice. And, you cannot (as a Catholic) knowingly vote for a man who lies about his stance on abortion. Even if we can't change it, we can't support a deceiver like John McCain because he said he was Pro-Choice. ( and even again I say you knowingly voted for the one you knew he would do as he said he did not lie he will enable many many more women to murder their children) I've heard so many Catholics say "I disagree with almost everything about McCain, but at least he's Pro-Life!" But McCain "isn't" Pro-Life. These people were deceived by John McCain's lies. Obama has always been honest about his Pro-Choice stances. ( yes and you still supported him this makes you doing it with full knowledge of the murders to take place in the name of choice)T he Devil is also known to be honest at times when he speaks truths.But we know this for a fact and without a doubt, that a man who believes in anything that is Pro-Choice is not of the Holy Spirit and we certainly know that a man who lies about being Pro-Life, but that believes in abortion and embryonic stem cell research is also "not" led by The Holy Spirit. Neither candidate is to be our spiritual or moral or ethical counsel folks...they aren't to be our Pastor/Reverand/Priest/Pope. They are our politicians. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's. I'll get my spiritual guidance from a religious leader, not from a secularly selected man. I respect and love those Christians of all denominations who voted "against" Obama because he is Pro-Choice. I really do love that. But, I cannot respect anybody who says that they voted for John McCain because he's "Pro-Choice"...why? Because he simply is NOT. So, this is telling me something...these persons are either so filled with their own particular groups indoctrination that they never researched their own candidate (which makes the RWE's to me or Right Wing Extremists) or they know he's Pro-Choice and still voted for him. You'd be surprised at how many Christian Conservatives didn't know John McCain was Pro-Choice. Why? Just because he walks around saying "I'm proud of my Pro-Life record!" (roughly quoted). Obama isn't fooling anybody with who he is. We know where he stands. And to me, that's the "real" definition of "straight talk". Obama (I believe) wasn't sent to us by God. But, maybe God will fix him if he does a good job and works to bring us all together as a country. Granted, some will hate him just because he is what he is (Too Black, Not Black Enough, Democrat, Too Liberal, Too Conservative, Too Aggressive, Too Passive...). That will all depend on who you ask. Right now, the Liberal Left Wing Nutjobs are losing it over Obama's decisions (as are the RWE's) and that's a great thing. He's exactly what we need now...a Centrist President. Ultimately, President Obama didn't legalize abortion. Judges put forth by Republicans supposedly did that. He doesn't force women to get abortions or doctors to perform them. They do that of their own free will. No law will stop abortion. Only women can stop abortion. Obama is 100% wrong, we all know that, but he's honest about it. He might be a wolf, but he's no wolf in sheeps' clothing like McCain is. ![]() 2.bp.blogspot.com/_dR1ASRHNq24/R2C0hKuvqmI/AAAAAAAAAIw/Andsa05jha4/s320/wolf_in_sheeps_clothing.JPG[/img] |
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Post by kathleenelsie on Feb 4, 2009 18:41:37 GMT -5
I had to go to supper so I did not finish the last postBut we know this for a fact and without a doubt, that a man who believes in anything that is Pro-Choice is not of the Holy Spirit and we certainly know that a man who lies about being Pro-Life, but that believes in abortion and embryonic stem cell research is also "not" led by The Holy Spirit. ( one promised to work to end abortion, his NARAL % was 0, the other promised to keep abortion and RvW alive and expand it his NARAL % was 100, The fact is that your vote was for the person that promoted evil even if we can't and won't call him evil) Neither candidate is to be our spiritual or moral or ethical counsel folks...they aren't to be our Pastor/Reverand/Priest/Pope. ( no but the person elected will set the moral and ethical limits of our government entites and thus upon each and every one of us by default) They are our politicians. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's. ( life and justice is not governments place to rule. God kept life for his own. Those that voted for BHO are trying to give the rights of life: cloning, IVF, abortion, euthenasia to government) I'll get my spiritual guidance from a religious leader, not from a secularly selected man. ( this same man has a law that will not allow monies to be spent on any school or orginization that allows prayer or theology departments, CAN WE SAY ANTI-CHRISTIAN, this would include Annapolis) I respect and love those Christians of all denominations who voted "against" Obama because he is Pro-Choice. I really do love that. ( so it is even ok to have voted for him because he wanted to expand abortion rights and murder more babies?) But, I cannot respect anybody who says that they voted for John McCain because he's "Pro-Choice"...why? Because he simply is NOT. So, this is telling me something...these persons are either so filled with their own particular groups indoctrination that they never researched their own candidate (which makes the RWE's to me or Right Wing Extremists) or they know he's Pro-Choice and still voted for him. You'd be surprised at how many Christian Conservatives didn't know John McCain was Pro-Choice. Why? Just because he walks around saying "I'm proud of my Pro-Life record!" (roughly quoted). ( and many took the time to see that he was the least offensive and the one that would allow the fewest deaths and many voted for the fewer deaths not to allow more) Obama isn't fooling anybody with who he is. We know where he stands. ( and yet he was voted in WHY?)And to me, that's the "real" definition of "straight talk". ( I believe that the Germans felt the same way in the 1930s) Obama (I believe) wasn't sent to us by God. But, maybe God will fix him if he does a good job and works to bring us all together as a country. () in the past 16 days he has made it possible for millions of more babies to be murdered but you can always hope I just don't think God will Bless this country again till we stop murdering His creationsGranted, some will hate him just because he is what he is (Too Black, Not Black Enough, Democrat, Too Liberal, Too Conservative, Too Aggressive, Too Passive...). That will all depend on who you ask. ( in my case toooo pro-death of the future of this country) Right now, the Liberal Left Wing Nutjobs are losing it over Obama's decisions (as are the RWE's) and that's a great thing. He's exactly what we need now...a Centrist President. Ultimately, President Obama didn't legalize abortion. Judges put forth by Republicans supposedly did that. He doesn't force women to get abortions or doctors to perform them. ( he just wants to make it so theire can be no limits on when and how the baby is torn from the mother and make everyone else pay for it) They do that of their own free will. No law will stop abortion. Only women can stop abortion. Obama is 100% wrong, we all know that, but he's honest about it. He might be a wolf, but he's no wolf in sheeps' clothing like McCain is. ( I am so sorry to read that you Hate one person so much that you were willing to allow many babies to die) ![]() 2.bp.blogspot.com/_dR1ASRHNq24/R2C0hKuvqmI/AAAAAAAAAIw/Andsa05jha4/s320/wolf_in_sheeps_clothing.JPG[/img][/quote] PAX KathleenElsie |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 4, 2009 18:54:14 GMT -5
As an Illinoisan, I can tell you that Obama is very pro-abortion. He goes beyond being pro choice. He voted in the Illinois senate to allow partial birth abortion with no restriction, he said that if one of his daughters got pregnant he would not want her "punished with a baby." He was absent or voted 'present' most of his career in the Illinois senate and as our US senator he spent most of his time running for president. He should give his salary to the people of Illinois. He is an old school 'Chicago Democratic Machine' politician and the world is about to find out how politics is played in Chicago/Illinois. So far he has nominate at least 3 tax cheats to high posts in his administration and "you ain't seen nothin' yet". Remember you read it here first. Nice to have a new voice around here! Welcome! I posted yesterday in one of these political battle rooms that obama has given high jobs to people that are not qualified, posted the video from glen beck. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 4, 2009 21:19:07 GMT -5
Cepha, You know that I like you... but you have to admit that President Obama's first three weeks, hasn't been what one would expect, from the "Anointed One", as described by the liberal media. This is what you get, when you elect as President, a young and inexperienced, Junior Senator. You get a lot of mistakes. Yep, 3 weeks... and to use his own words, he has "screwed up". All of those, who have voted for him, have "screwed up". He will continue to "screw-up", because he is "in over his head". He doesn't know what he is doing and isn't confident enough to say "No" to his own Party. Prior to Obama being elected, Senator Biden, when referring to Obama, said that the Presidency is not supposed to be "on the job training" and that the person seeking the office of President, should be "ready to lead". Obama wasn’t "ready to lead". I was shocked, when I heard Obama tell Anderson Cooper of CNN, that he “screwed up, and that he was “learning as he goes”, describing his experience as President, as “on the job training”, what a joke. I guess Sen. Biden (now Vice President Biden) was right. Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton and others act as if they think, all if this, is a big Joke. This is serious business and these people should be acting like serious professionals. This, unprofessionalism was apparent when he (Biden), swore-in Sen. Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, as they were all giggling and acting like little kids. This shows us that they may have the “experience” but lack the professionalism, maturity, and leadership qualities, one would expect from persons holding high office. The recent actions of President Obama and his people are embarrassing. Sen. Tom Daschle’s recent withdrawal , because of “tax problems” and his “lobbying” history … and Obama’s, alleged “high standards”… are a joke, especially when considering; Obama , last week, appointed Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary and the Democratically controlled Senate, confirmed Mr. Geithner, knowing that Geithner had the same issues as Sen. Daschle and Nancy Killefer. Kilefer made the same withdrawal request, as Daschle, for similar reasons. This inconsistent behavior by the President, is disconcerting and is just one more example that Obama doesn’t have the leadership qualities, experience or maturity needed to be President. His first three weeks in office, have been a joke…and you voted for him. As for, all of President Obama’s recent "screw ups", in his first 3 weeks in office; I thought the reason President Obama selected Sen. Biden as Vice President, was because Sen. Biden had “experience”. Other than “swearing people in”, where is Vice President Biden? Why hasn't, his so-called "experience” help prevent President Obama from making so many "bush league" mistakes? President Obama acts and talks like a "sergeant" might...a beginner when it comes to leadership...when he is the President and the Commander and Chief and should be acting like the Leader of the Free World. By his actions and speak, it is evident that he (Obama) is indecisive, inexperienced and immature. I talk about the future - 2012, because this is the only comfort I have; knowing that a President's term, is limited to four years....even though, in his interview with Anderson Cooper, of CNN, Obama alluded to "Six" and "Eleven" years"... He apparently thinks that a Presidential term is "Five years". This guy needs to go back to the minor leagues where he belongs. Then again, he is acting like the young, inexperienced, indecisive and immature Junior Senator that you helped to elect.
4 more years!
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Post by Cepha on Feb 4, 2009 21:27:19 GMT -5
Jimmy, What planet are you on? Didn't you hear? Republican numbers are falling and Democrats are growing in numbers! Where'd you get the notion that the Democratic Party dieing? It's The Republican Party that's fallen! ;D meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_decline_and_fall_of_the_re.phpPartisan TrendsThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index shows that Barack Obama has earned favorable reviews during his first two months as President-elect.
Democrats continue to have a significant advantage on 10 key issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports and lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot. Democrats 40.9% ;D Republicans 32.6% (As of January 2009) Both parties lost numbers, but the Dems still outgained the Republicans. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trendsI think we're on our way to a 3rd Party my friends! (I hope it will be made up of Conservative 100% Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans who will put their Red/Blue differences to the side and work together to bring the morality of this country back in line with God's!) Cepha, I am on the planet, where, In just three weeks, Obama's approval rating has gone from 84% to 64%...source -CNN (2/4/09). Wow..."only" 2/3's of the country still find his work favourable. I guess that (again) puts you in the minority of what The American People feel for our beloved President. Know what that makes President Obama? Still the highly rated by the overwhelming majority of The American People. "That one". |
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Post by capitalista on Feb 4, 2009 21:29:50 GMT -5
Cepha, I am just going to step in here and clear up one thing. Obama and McCain are worlds apart on the abortion issue. To begin, McCain is not pro-abortion, and never has been. He has been less aggressive in attacking abortion than other conservatives, but do not confuse this with Obama. They are completely at odds over parental notification rights, partial birth abortions, funding for abortions.... even agreeing with the decision of Roe vs. Wade and believing in abortion "rights." About the only thing he agreed with Obama on was leniency in case of rape or incest. That's a far far cry from a man who wants to bring about FOCA. See for yourself: www.selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.htmlwww.ontheissues.org/default.htm |
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Post by kathleenelsie on Feb 4, 2009 22:34:47 GMT -5
Cepha, I am on the planet, where, In just three weeks, Obama's approval rating has gone from 84% to 64%...source -CNN (2/4/09). Wow..."only" 2/3's of the country still find his work favorable. ( what with the hype of BHO being the Saviour of the USA his numbers are sliding faster then most peoples New Years Resolutions) I guess that (again) puts you in the minority of what The American People feel for our beloved President. ( beloved president? The glow will go off real fast when those that find out the streets with BHO are not paved with gold) Know what that makes President Obama? Still the highly rated by the overwhelming majority of The American People. ( it also makes him one of the fastest to see the glow dim day by day) "That one". BHO is not a shining example or moral leadership. His lack of any true experience in diplomacy, economics and military knowledge is going to bring him down even farther and faster. My family and I pray daily for BHO, his family and the country. The children pray that BHO will have a softening of heart toward the babies that are in their mothers "bellies". Sadly we have to tell the children that the new president is not someone that we should look up to and seek to be like. I pray that their will be another president in my grandchildrens life time that they can look at and be proud of his or her leadership and morals. |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 4, 2009 23:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by Jimmy B. on Feb 5, 2009 1:05:19 GMT -5
Nancy Pelosi says - 500 MILLION AMERICANS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS EVERY MONTH THAT THE STIMULUS PACKAGE IS NOT APPROVED.  Here is the video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVl2nqjLVeA The U.S. population as of 2008, was estimated to be just over 300 million. That includes babies, children and the elderly/retired, those who are totally disabled and unable to work, those persons who are incarcerated and so on…I think you get the point. That being said, the difference between 500 million jobs a month and 300 million people living in the United States is, 200 hundred million. Is she lying or is she just, terrible confused? And, this from the second most powerful person in the country, the Speaker of the House. Who votes for these people and put them in power? Oh, that's right, she is the leader of the Democrats. Those Democrats never cease to amaze.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 5, 2009 1:15:02 GMT -5
Nancy Pelosi says - 500 MILLION AMERICANS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS EVERY MONTH THAT THE STIMULUS PACKAGE IS NOT APPROVED. The U.S. population as of 2008, was estimated to be just over 300 million. That includes babies, children and the elderly/retired, those who are totally disabled and unable to work, those persons who are incarcerated and so on…I think you get the point. That being said, the difference between 500 million jobs a month and 300 million people living in the United States is, 200 hundred million. Is she lying or is she just, terrible confused? And, this from the second most powerful person in the country, the Speaker of the House. Who votes for these people and put them in power? Oh, that's right, she is the leader of the Democrats. Those Democrats never cease to amaze. LOL! You should get a job on Fox News...they do the same thing! They sit there and parse every word spend an hour talking about the silliest things! LOL! What's next? "Obama is unAmerican because he doesn't wear a tie pin!" Oh wait, that was already "tried". LOL! Nancy Pelosi can't count...that's why America will fail.   |
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