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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 22, 2009 1:47:13 GMT -5
penticostals hate catholics... i have seen it..
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Post by watchman on Feb 22, 2009 15:18:41 GMT -5
penticostals hate catholics... i have seen it.. #1 I am not Pentecostal (although I do believe in the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the gifts that come with it) #2 I do not hate Catholics. #3 I haven't met a Pentecostal that hates Catholics and if they hate anyone they are not really saved. Seeing and understanding truth is not the same thing as hate. Do you believe that Islam is a false religion? if so, do you hate Muslims? |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 23, 2009 0:22:45 GMT -5
i hear what you are saying
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 1:19:56 GMT -5
You condemn yourself?  The Catholic church is full of false anti biblical doctrine. Let me explain it to you so a child could understand. If the bible says one thing, and the catholics teach the opposite, then God is right and the catholics are wrong. It is The Church that upholds The Truth (not The Bible). The Bible says so, so The Church discerns The Bible, not The Bible The Church... ...after all, The Bible "is" a product "of" The Catholic Church. Haven't you ever noticed that they never mention The Holy Bible in The Bible, but they mention The Universal Church in it?  And, when one misunderstands what The Bible says and personally misinterprets it, "they" are the one's who are wrong...not The Church that God chose to canonize The Bible (His Word). |
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Post by watchman on Feb 23, 2009 11:14:19 GMT -5
Of course when someone misinterprets the bible they are wrong, and when the catholic church teaches things that oppose the Bible they are wrong.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 20:35:47 GMT -5
Of course when someone misinterprets the bible they are wrong, and when the catholic church teaches things that oppose the Bible they are wrong. Or, when a person's " personal interpretation" conflicts with the teachings of The Church that God chose to reveal The Canon of The Holy Bible to, of course, it is they that are wrong...because God is never wrong. So, to disagree with His Church is to disagree with His choice. To reject universal Christianity, is to embrace denominationalism (man's creation). But hey, it's a free world ain't it? You do agree that it is The Church that is The Pillar of Truth, right? That The Holy Bible is never mentioned in The Scriptures, right? That The Church created The Holy Bible, right? |
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Post by watchman on Feb 23, 2009 21:08:51 GMT -5
Of course when someone misinterprets the bible they are wrong, and when the catholic church teaches things that oppose the Bible they are wrong. Or, when a person's " personal interpretation" conflicts with the teachings of The Church that God chose to reveal The Canon of The Holy Bible to, of course, it is they that are wrong...because God is never wrong. Or when your so called church has teaching that conflict with God's word they are wrong. Whether it is a person , organization, or religion., any one that opposes God's word is wrong. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 21:13:20 GMT -5
Or, when a person's " personal interpretation" conflicts with the teachings of The Church that God chose to reveal The Canon of The Holy Bible to, of course, it is they that are wrong...because God is never wrong. Or when your so called church has teaching that conflict with God's word they are wrong. Whether it is a person , organization, or religion., any one that opposes God's word is wrong. I agree with you 100% on that...so if one rejects His Church (The Catholic Church) and doesn't bend their mind to the teaching of The Church, they oppose God. When they think something conflicts with their personal interpretation of scripture, then it is "they" who are wrong (that is, according to scripture itself). The Holy Bible teaches that it is The Church that is The Pillar of Truth (not The Bible). |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 23, 2009 21:18:59 GMT -5
Oh yeah...
You do agree that it is The Church that is The Pillar of Truth, right?
That The Holy Bible is never mentioned in The Scriptures, right?
That The Church created The Holy Bible, right?
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Post by watchman on Feb 23, 2009 22:38:25 GMT -5
I believe Jesus is the way the truth, and the life. The Roman Catholic church is a perversion of the truth, not the pillar of it.
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Post by Cepha on Feb 24, 2009 18:25:30 GMT -5
I believe Jesus is the way the truth, and the life. You can thank The Catholic Church for that. We brought the Gospel to the world. If not for us, you wouldn't even have known that. Then you disagree with scripture, because scripture states that The Catholic Church is The Pillar of Truth. |
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Post by watchman on Feb 24, 2009 20:49:40 GMT -5
I believe Jesus is the way the truth, and the life. You can thank The Catholic Church for that. We brought the Gospel to the world. If not for us, you wouldn't even have known that. Then you disagree with scripture, because scripture states that The Catholic Church is The Pillar of Truth. If you think that there would be no cannon with out Catholicism you are deluded. God does need me, He does need you, He doesn't need Catholicism His will will be done regardless. No Jesus is the Truth and Catholicism perverts the truth. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 24, 2009 21:45:45 GMT -5
If you think that there would be no cannon with out Catholicism you are deluded. "would be"? How do you know that God would've used another church to canonize His Word? "would be" is talking about what hasn't happened. Let's talk about what "did" happen...God chose only Church that existed when He decided to reveal His Word to The World...The Catholic Church, to bring it to the world. I like the first part of that sentiment, but I disagree. God doesn't "need" us. But, I believe that in order for His Word to come true, God needed His Church to be "universal" in nature... ...or "catholic" (which it is). See...God sent Jesus to save all mankind (not just Catholics, not just Denominational Christians, not just Muslims, not just Atheists, not just Satanists, not just Jews...). The word "all" literally means "catholic". The Bible literally says this...that Jesus died for "all" of us. He died "catholically", universally, for alllll mankind. His Church would of course represent His sacrifice and purpose as He commissioned the first Bishops of The Catholic Church when He told them... Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;"Again..."all" meaning "catholically". Main Entry: catholic Definition: all-embracing, general Synonyms: all-inclusive, broad-minded, charitable, comprehensive, cosmic, cosmopolitan, diffuse, eclectic, ecumenical, extensive, generic, global, inclusive, indeterminate, large-scale, liberal, open-minded, planetary, receptive, tolerant, unbigoted, universal, unprejudiced, unsectarian, whole, wide, world-wide And that is The Catholic Church..."all-embracing", general (not denominational). The two have nothing to do with one another because Jesus started The Catholic Church. He literally said (and you supposedly take the Bible literally) that His Church would never be corrupted. So you contradict Jesus Christ when you claim that His Church is corrupted. I think you should read The Bible. You are very fluent in Anti-Catholicism, but I bet you couldn't tell me how many Beatitudes there are without having to look it up. You are fluent in what divides The Body of Christ, but extremely ignorant on what unites The Body of Christ. We are united by "one" faith (not by different "takes" on one faith). Paul taught us that we CANNOT have different doctrines. That is, not in The Church that Paul belonged to (The Catholic Church). We have to be "one" in deed, in word, in doctrine. And only 1 church is exactly that..."1". The Universal Christian Church (aka, Catholics). No other Christian church can make that claim. In fact, not other current Christian sect existed until "after" the 16th Century. None can claim to have defended Christianity againts Muslim attackers in the Crusades. None can claim that they contributed to revealing the Doctrines of Salvation or of The Holy Trinity or of The Holy Eucharist or of The Sacraments or of even having had any say as to "which" books were to be included in The Holy Bible. Only The Catholic Church did that. No one else. And to be fair, they can't...they were "created" by men in Europe, not by Apostles from The Holy Land. |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 24, 2009 22:04:36 GMT -5
If you think that there would be no cannon with out Catholicism you are deluded. God does need me, He does need you, He doesn't need Catholicism His will will be done regardless. Or you can look at it like this...take away everything that The Catholic Church has contributed to mankind. Delete the following: Hospitals Colleges Christian Dogma Charitable Organizations Defense of The Faith Evangelization of The Gospel "to" the world... ...and a "book" you might of actually heard of; The Holy BibleThat's everything that we've actually "done". Not what "coulda'/woulda'/shoulda'" done, but actually "did" do. By the time that man created it's own "versions" of Christianity, we had already provided them the basis of their bible version, the basis of their doctrines that they borrowed from us and basically, they based everything that they got from The Bible from us (everything else like Sola Scriptura/Sola Fidei, etc...came from men). |
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Post by watchman on Feb 24, 2009 23:20:12 GMT -5
If you think that there would be no cannon with out Catholicism you are deluded. God does need me, He does need you, He doesn't need Catholicism His will will be done regardless. Or you can look at it like this...take away everything that The Catholic Church has contributed to mankind. Delete the following: Hospitals Colleges Christian Dogma Charitable Organizations Defense of The Faith Evangelization of The Gospel "to" the world... ...and a "book" you might of actually heard of; . You really are deluded aren't you? Do you really believe this garbage? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 24, 2009 23:24:10 GMT -5
You really are deluded aren't you? Do you really believe this garbage? Why do you call history garbage? Is it because you disagree with history? |
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Post by watchman on Feb 25, 2009 13:11:48 GMT -5
You really are deluded aren't you? Do you really believe this garbage? Why do you call history garbage? Is it because you disagree with history? You are the one that disagrees with History, you have created a false version of History in your head. You actually think that Cathoicism started in the upper room and that Peter was the first pope...lol, rflol, hahahahahaha, what a nut case  |
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Post by cradlecathlic27 on Feb 25, 2009 16:40:51 GMT -5
watchman, who are the early church fathers to you? And do you believe in their teachings? Also, what year did Penticostal(belief system) denomination develope?
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Post by Cepha on Feb 25, 2009 18:00:50 GMT -5
Why do you call history garbage? Is it because you disagree with history? You are the one that disagrees with History, you have created a false version of History in your head. You actually think that Cathoicism started in the upper room and that Peter was the first pope...lol, rflol, hahahahahaha, what a nut case (And slowly, he unravels...) Keep the insults coming. A sure sign that you can't prove your point. It is historically proven that Saint Peter "is" The First Pope of The Catholic Church. Would you like to have a discussion on this? |
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Post by Cepha on Feb 25, 2009 18:11:41 GMT -5
watchman, who are the early church fathers to you? And do you believe in their teachings? Also, what year did Penticostal(belief system) denomination develope? LOL! He won't dare answer those questions! I've been trying to ask him if he "cafetirially" agrees with "some" of their writings when they seem to disagree with Catholicism, but reject the rest that do! LOL! He never did answer me on those questions (he just hightailed it out of here!). Good luck CC!  (And, he's going to put Pentacostalism down, so you can't attach that to him...he lives in this "have your cake and eat it too" world where he can literally criticize the same religious group that he worships with). Watchman, you REALLLY make me love Catholicism even more! |
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The Catholic church is full of false anti biblical doctrine.
