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Post by Ramon on May 28, 2009 13:48:42 GMT -5
Hello, Now, you can pay this group of people ($40 a year) to send emails to your loved ones who will be "Left Behind" in the Rapture (a 18th century myth)! How will this be done? "We have set up a system to send documents by the email, to the addresses you provide, 6 days after the "Rapture" of the Church. This occurs when 3 of our 5 team members scattered around the U.S fail to log in over a 3 day period. Another 3 days are given to fail safe any false triggering of the system". LOL VERY FUNNY! Silly Evangelicals. ;D youvebeenleftbehind.com/services.htmlBut all jokes aside, I wonder how much money this group is making from exploiting people......Just another example of how this heresy is brainwashing people. What a despicable and horrible money-making scam. Lord have mercy. Let us all pray for those blinded in the heresy of the Rapture (a teaching not found in the Scriptures and the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Church).  In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Cepha on May 28, 2009 13:58:00 GMT -5
Hello, Now, you can pay this group of people ($40 a year) to send emails to your loved ones who will be "Left Behind" in the Rapture (a 18th century myth)! VERY FUNNY! Silly Evangelicals. ;D youvebeenleftbehind.com/services.htmlBut all jokes aside, I wonder how much money this group is making from exploiting people......Just another example of how this heresy is brainwashing people. What a despicable and horrible money-making scam. Lord have mercy. Let us all pray for those blinded in the heresy of the Rapture (a teaching not found in the Scriptures and the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Church). In IC.XC, Ramon OMGosh! I have to get offline now! But I can't wait to read it! See you guys tomorrow! ;D |
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Post by emily445455 on May 28, 2009 14:27:05 GMT -5
It's an interesing idea. I should do something for my family members who are still here....and ask them to take care of my dogs as long as possible...which is one of my biggest fears. Maybe I should make a video, or write a letter...I'll think about it.
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 14:29:47 GMT -5
Ramon, I must agree with you on this one, they are getting them good. There is no left behind we will all be here for the ''Tribulation''.
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 14:30:31 GMT -5
It's an interesing idea. I should do something for my family members who are still here....and ask them to take care of my dogs as long as possible...which is one of my biggest fears. Maybe I should make a video, or write a letter...I'll think about it. Why don't you send these guys $40 a year em...lol hahahahaha |
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Post by emily445455 on May 28, 2009 15:00:11 GMT -5
Cause I can do something myself for free.
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Post by Ramon on May 28, 2009 21:34:08 GMT -5
Ramon, I must agree with you on this one, they are getting them good. There is no left behind we will all be here for the ''Tribulation''. Amen! I used to believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture theory, until I finally study Scriptures deeper and read the Early Church Fathers. I realize that all the Scriptures I used to support this theory did not really support the Pre-Trib Rapture. At best, it supports a "Rapture" of the Church, but what these modern Evangelicals is proposing is a Pre-Trib Rapture that can not be supported in Scriptures. I also realize that the Pre-Trib Rapture contradicts other Scriptures and was not taught in the Early Church (1st-10th Century) but was a 18th century invention. Anyway, these people are ripping people of. The only ones who buy into this are those who are Hard-Core Pre-Trib advocates. It's sad and horrible! Let's pray for these people and all those being deceived in this 18th Century heresy of the "Rapture". In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by Ramon on May 28, 2009 21:38:14 GMT -5
Yes, interesting, but also a silly idea propose by silly Evangelicals who believe in a silly doctrine (Pre-Trib Rapture). ;D Seriously though, these people are ripping people of. The are spreading the lie of the Pre-Trib Rapture, a doctrine not taught in Scriptures and was never taught by the Holy Orthodox Church for the past 2,000 years, to make some profit! Horrible people! and ask them to take care of my dogs as long as possible...which is one of my biggest fears. What kind of dog do you have? I have a Golden Retriever puppy (8 months old) In IC.XC, Ramon |
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Post by watchman on May 28, 2009 22:38:30 GMT -5
You are fighting a loss cause Ramon Convincing Emily that the pretrib rapture is a lie is like convincing you that Mary had children after Jesus. The pretrib doctrine is more precious to her than the truth.
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Post by emily445455 on May 28, 2009 22:40:37 GMT -5
Ramon, I have two labrador retreivers, a 1 1/2 yr old and a 4 month old  One of my greatest fears is Hubby and I being raptured while they are in their crates (we don't put food or water in them). I'm either hoping for a family member to care for them, for a kind soul who loots our house to at least let them out. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 2, 2009 13:43:14 GMT -5
Ramon, I must agree with you on this one, they are getting them good. There is no left behind we will all be here for the ''Tribulation''. Doesn't the tribulation occur after the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth? If so we Christians will be long gone. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 2, 2009 13:48:36 GMT -5
alfie, yup.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 14:21:58 GMT -5
Ramon, I must agree with you on this one, they are getting them good. There is no left behind we will all be here for the ''Tribulation''. Doesn't the tribulation occur after the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth? If so we Christians will be long gone. The belief that the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth before the Tribulation cannot be found anywhere in scripture. Nether is the idea of the church itself being removed before the Tribulation scriptural. Alfie you talk about satan and his deceptions a lot and I agree with much of what you have to say, but it seems like satan even got to you on this on. The pretrib rapture was created by satan to keep God' people unaware and unprepared for the struggle we will have to endure, and this lie have been perpetuated throughout the evangelical community. Sad it really is a sad thing to see so many fall for this deception. |
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Post by alfie on Jun 2, 2009 16:50:29 GMT -5
Doesn't the tribulation occur after the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth? If so we Christians will be long gone. The belief that the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth before the Tribulation cannot be found anywhere in scripture. Nether is the idea of the church itself being removed before the Tribulation scriptural. Alfie you talk about satan and his deceptions a lot and I agree with much of what you have to say, but it seems like satan even got to you on this on. The pretrib rapture was created by satan to keep God' people unaware and unprepared for the struggle we will have to endure, and this lie have been perpetuated throughout the evangelical community. Sad it really is a sad thing to see so many fall for this deception. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (New International Version) 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Watchman
Chapter 5 and 6 is refering to the Holy Spirit. Once He is removed people will be totally deceived by the anti-Christ. If the Holy Spirit is removed then all of the Christians would be deceived too because the Holy Spirit is what lives in us and shows us the truth.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 18:47:03 GMT -5
Actually there is no reason to believe that the restrainer is the holy Spirit more likely the restrainer is Micheal the Arc angel.
I would love to have a pretrib vs post trib debate with you on the debate forum, not to prove you wrong, but to show you the truth. Would you like that? There need not be a winner or looser, but A debate between just me and you to show each other why we believe as we do?
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 18:50:43 GMT -5
The belief that the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth before the Tribulation cannot be found anywhere in scripture. Nether is the idea of the church itself being removed before the Tribulation scriptural. Alfie you talk about satan and his deceptions a lot and I agree with much of what you have to say, but it seems like satan even got to you on this on. The pretrib rapture was created by satan to keep God' people unaware and unprepared for the struggle we will have to endure, and this lie have been perpetuated throughout the evangelical community. Sad it really is a sad thing to see so many fall for this deception. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (New International Version) 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
That day that will not come has two thingsd happening on it #1 the 2nd coming #2 The gathering together which includes the rapture. The two events occur on the same day (immediately after the tribulation) 2nd Thess 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; |
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Post by alfie on Jun 2, 2009 19:15:29 GMT -5
Actually there is no reason to believe that the restrainer is the holy Spirit more likely the restrainer is Micheal the Arc angel. I would love to have a pretrib vs post trib debate with you on the debate forum, not to prove you wrong, but to show you the truth. Would you like that? There need not be a winner or looser, but A debate between just me and you to show each other why we believe as we do? In my Bible (in Revelation verses 5, 6, and 7) the word "he' is capitalized so that would never be the angel Michael. In the Bible when he is capitalized it is always in reference to God. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 19:55:33 GMT -5
And what Bible is ''your'' Bible?
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 19:57:24 GMT -5
The Belief that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit is an opinion at best. It is not something that can be proven with scripture,. However the fact that the rapture occurs at the post trib 2nd coming can be confirm with many passages of scripture.
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Post by watchman on Jun 2, 2009 19:59:05 GMT -5
Actually there is no reason to believe that the restrainer is the holy Spirit more likely the restrainer is Micheal the Arc angel. I would love to have a pretrib vs post trib debate with you on the debate forum, not to prove you wrong, but to show you the truth. Would you like that? There need not be a winner or looser, but A debate between just me and you to show each other why we believe as we do? In my Bible (in Revelation verses 5, 6, and 7) the word "he' is capitalized so that would never be the angel Michael. In the Bible when he is capitalized it is always in reference to God. The restrainer is not mentioned in the book of Revelation. Further more what chapters are you referring to 2nd Thees chapter 2 verses 5, 6, and 7? |
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One of my greatest fears is Hubby and I being raptured while they are in their crates (we don't put food or water in them). I'm either hoping for a family member to care for them, for a kind soul who loots our house to at least let them out.