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Post by Cepha on Jun 9, 2009 17:47:09 GMT -5
I look handsom, I look smart! I am a walking work of art! How I love my coat of many colors! How I love my coat of many colors! It was red and violet and peach and mocha and blue!!  |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:04:51 GMT -5
Because God is omniscient. Do you dare now deny this? He is, but that doesn't mean that He knew that Adam would sin since Adam's sin came "after" he was created. To be omniscient is to know things as they "are". Do you truly believe God was shocked when Adam sinned, Unbelievable. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:10:17 GMT -5
Calvinist is an odd thing to say for no reason at all? Now to your question. because He planned our redemption before Adam sinned. He need not change His mind to redeem us, it was always His plan to redeem us. Sometime i truly believe you just bait with questions you know the answer to to aggravate me. I just do not believe you are as clueless as you act. I called you a Calvinist since you believe in predestination. ;D Predestination is a religious concept, which involves the relationship between God and His creation.
The religious character of predestination distinguishes it from other ideas about determinism and free will.
Those who believe in predestination, such as John Calvin,  believe that before the creation God determined the fate of the universe throughout all of time and space.However I never said this. I said God knew Adam would sin and made a way of redemption before He created the earth. I never said that man did not have free will to receive or deny salvation. So your accusation is once again false, and the fact that you know that I do not believe in predestination. Matter of fact you know I believe Calvinism to be evil. Making you a slanderer, because you knowingly falsely accused me. Isn't there a commandment against that? Why don't you act like a christian instead of slandering people who prove you wrong? You do call yourself a christian don't you? Start acting like one, instead of a liar and slanderer. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:15:45 GMT -5
The Bible says He has changed His mind (or His plan) because of the actions of people. Examples: Destruction of Ninevah, Destruction of Lot's family (originally, He was going to destroy ALL of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah) That's right. Lot negotiated with God and He changed his mind several times.  Wrong Abraham negotiated with God and God knew all along there were not 10 righteous people in Sodom, and God knew all along that He was going to deliver Lot. Therefore God did exactly what He had already decided to do before He spoke to Abraham. Destroy Sodom and Gamorah and save Lot and His family. You don't even know the most basic of childhood Bible stories. You shouldn't be debating big boy stuff with the big boys until you can get your children stories right. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:20:53 GMT -5
This is as I said a false dichotomy. God cannot lie, therefore He has limited Himself to keeping His word, that we may have surety in out salvation. Hebrews6
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: So the Bible say nothing is impossible for God and it also say it is impossible for God to lie, so which one is it is the bible wrong or are you. God will not indeed cannot lie. If you claim believe God will keep His word is limiting Him from lying then so be it. Actually, your statement is a false dichotomy. God "does" not lie (not "cannot"). He can do whatever He want's to do. He's God. (Oh...and verse 18? That verse [taken in context] is talking about an oath that came in verse 17...it doesn't say that it is impossible for God to lie PERIOD.) Again, God can do anything He wants to. Question: Who's more powerful? God or a book?  God cannot lie, not only will He not He cannot. And to answer your question of what is more powerful? The question is what is more power God's word or your opinion? I will go with God's word. You have already proven many times your opinion is not to be trusted. Look at verse 17 of His Hebrews 6 it says God's counsel is immutable. Immutable means unchangable, and counsel means His word or what He purposes. God word is unchangable. Now listen closely what I said is when God has declared something will occur a certain way He will not change His mind. cepha decided he would disagree with that statement and he was wrong for doing so. I believe cepha is thuroughly confused in many, many things concerning God, Christ, and scripture. Or he simply disagree with me for the sole purposes of being disagreeable. I am leaning toward the latter, because I find it hard to believe that someone that think they know so much could be so lost. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:36:10 GMT -5
I am against predestination, however believing the Bible when it says that the plan of salvation was already planned for us before the creation of the earth in no way suggest that man has been relieved of his free will. You are twisting two beliefs in one because you understand neither. Oh no...it's clear to me. You just contradicted yourself. According to your personal interpretation of scripture, God predestined everything. ;D I think that you cannot understand scripture nor the words of other people. Nothing I ever wrote would make anyone thing that I think God has predestined everything. Does He know the outcome? Yes, does that equal predestination? No |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:39:00 GMT -5
God knew everything that would happen in the earth before He created nothing has cause Him to change His mind or nature. God exist outside of time. He is in the past, present and future all at once. We are bound by time God is not. He knows everything that has happened or will happen, there is no need for His mind to change. And that's "not" this? Predestination is a religious concept, which involves the relationship between God and His creation. The religious character of predestination distinguishes it from other ideas about determinism and free will. Those who believe in predestination, such as John Calvin, believe that before the creation God determined the fate of the universe throughout all of time and space. No it is not the same, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell the difference between foreknowledge and predestination. |
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Post by watchman on Jun 9, 2009 19:43:24 GMT -5
If you are trying to disprove Bible alone you can do it without making yourself out to be against the immutability of God. Asked and answered. Not surprised you couldn't understand the answer. [/color][/quote]I didn't hear anyone claim that. What I said is that He foreknew Adam would fall so He planned our redemption. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 22:23:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I am crazy because I hate my life and want to be with Jesus and see Him face to face, and I don't particular get excited about dying in a car accident or cancer or something, so yeah, I'd rather kick the bucket by being a martyr.
I'm a fool, but it's ok. Don't feel sorry for me.
And an artist, and don't you love the way the colors in the sunset look? And how amazing God's creation is? How fierce and awesome nature is and all of creation?
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 22:25:56 GMT -5
You guys talk smack. 1. I never met a Catholic or Orthodox yet who didn't boast about how they would choose martyrdom. Do you realize how asinine you all sound? Especially Heather, but then she is an artist and artists tend to be overly dramatic. 2. One other thing when the rapture does occur and you are left behind for martyrdom (which is your only option now to make it to Glory) it means you weren't really Christians after all. You need to ponder that point.
LOL!
I'm not worried.
I already sent the pope my money order for $249. and got my magic "Rapture Cloak".
When The Rapture comes, all I have to do is put this magical cloak on and I'll be spared! What more could I ask for? This is the best ever! Better than all my birthdays put together. Utterly swell. |
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 9, 2009 23:20:56 GMT -5
I look handsom, I look smart! I am a walking work of art! How I love my coat of many colors! How I love my coat of many colors! It was red and violet and peach and mocha and blue!! Emily, what is that from? I love your quotes. |
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 8:08:37 GMT -5
Lol, Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat". The picture that Steven used is from that musical.
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 11:25:25 GMT -5
Ok, I thought so. Between your quote, and cepha's picture, it really made my day.
Thanks
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 11:39:07 GMT -5
;D
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Post by teresahrc on Jun 10, 2009 17:43:03 GMT -5
I'm thinking about getting a big poster of that photo and putting your quote under it to cheer me up when I'm sad.
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Post by emily445455 on Jun 10, 2009 21:34:48 GMT -5
Lol! Well google the actual lyrics...I know mine are blose, but they're not 100% correct.
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Post by Cepha on Jun 12, 2009 9:00:00 GMT -5
Wow!
LOL!
I'm not worried.
I already sent the pope my money order for $249. and got my magic "Rapture Cloak".
When The Rapture comes, all I have to do is put this magical cloak on and I'll be spared! What more could I ask for? This is the best ever! Better than all my birthdays put together. Utterly swell. LOL! |
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believe that before the creation God determined the fate of the universe throughout all of time and space.
